The State of the Union

Tuesday 15th May, 2007 | Skip to comments (30)

“Quakeworld is dead.”

Is it?

I’ve heard “Quakeworld is dead” multiple times a year since I started QW back in Feb. of 2002. Every time players return to QW after a few months of being MIA, it’s almost unheard of NOT to hear them say “People still play this shit?” as if their lives were so much more active and they’ve grown too “mature” or “cool” to play QW anymore. “LOL, I’ve gone on to play CPM, WoW, professional poker, working a shitty job, saving the world, and/or <insert other lame excuse here>”.

I played 15 rounds of 2vs2 last night, so really, is it dead?

What’s considered dead?


The last successful 4v4 tournament, NQR-NA happened in the fall of 2005, a few months shy of two years. The last successful 2v2 tournament, Vendetta, finished during fall of 2004. There have been a few attempts at running a few more since then such as Vendetta-II and /DM4-NA, but both failed within a few weeks of their inceptions. I also participated in two different Clan Arena tournaments within the past two years, one being UNF’s League and Codelock’s League. Both failed in about three weeks.

The last four duel tournaments, however, have been successful, relatively speaking. GGL Americup and GGL Invite were successfully completed. The Fenris completed two seasons within half a year (with a few drop-outs as always *Cough* immy).

What has killed American teamplay?

My guess is real life. Too few people with busy schedules are the only ones active these days. Players grow up (some of them). Players get jobs (some of them). Players get kids (a lot of them).

As of now, the only thing that has kept, and will keep, QW alive is the influx of new players, regardless of what game they originate from; however, this is difficult to maintain as well, seeing that QW’s learning curve is excessively steep and any veteran in the country can rip a new asshole in any new player that joins the community.

Enter The Dojo.

For the past three years or so, there have been a few players in the community that have grown partial to teaching QW to newbies. KovaaK, myth, and myself from The Boss are just a few. A few players that have been instructed in the past few years include: Scarecrow, Proz, Ziel, and Zef.

Very recently though, the three of us have banded together to collectively teach a group of students, including ravenxx and plazmaz. Our instruction is a collection of lectures on map strategies, battle scenarios, timing scenarios, in-game instruction via MM3, discussing played games in a private channel and watching demos together.

Retention looks promising.

30 responses to “The State of the Union”

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Åke Vader
Tuesday 15th May, 2007

In my opinion, all american QW players who constantly states that "NA QW is dead" need to get a grip. While those may be some harsh words, there has just not been any considerable effort done since qw.us went down. You just need to start somewhere with a community site like Quakeworld.nu/Besmella, promote fQuake and then tutor the new players and gather them in the right IRC channels. As the NA scene is "dead", new players must enjoy the game more than ever in NA if you can get a few to play as they wouldn't be bashed by that many players. (yeah, it's a very naive way to look at it but wtf :D)

I see NA players every day on the euro servers and if you can get those to actually play against eachother instead of doing mixes then it would seem more alive me thinks. Get friends to join your clans and stuff and get things moving. I think a top notch NA community site is needed though.

Åke Vader
Tuesday 15th May, 2007

And the most important thing of all: be OPTIMISTIC about the whole thing! See the opportunities instead of the obstacles in your way.

proz
Tuesday 15th May, 2007

I approve this post

r4
Tuesday 15th May, 2007

Would be nice to revive teamplay in NA :)

plazmaz
Tuesday 15th May, 2007

Ake Vader, the only NA players I know of on Euro servers are inertia and the oclan guys. I go on those servers to sometimes spectate a player or two but that's pretty much it.

There are actually a few other new NA QW players but they are not on IRC and they play at strange times. Many CA players tend to stay away from DM which is sad actually :(

Cyan, myth and KovaaK's instruction has hlped me become a much better play in only months. My aim is to be a division 2 dueler by Quakecon and I think I should be able to achieve it thanks to them :)

plazmaz
Tuesday 15th May, 2007

I really should not be watching TV when I post comments on this site... :)

bps
Wednesday 16th May, 2007

well put, cyan. Åke Vader Luther King!

Sassa
Wednesday 16th May, 2007

very good written cyan!

Sassa
Wednesday 16th May, 2007

we have a rookie channel on quakenet called #qwrookie and have now a rookie section in our kenya-map-tourney that is each tuesday! not very hard to fix!

we can eazly make an american section if you guys want and u can just copy our way of doing it.
inertia was in the last ktk (7) and he acctually won the Rookie section with 120 ping, playing on an UK server.

ppl register using the forum, and u fix up the schedule on the forum and the tourney is from 20:00->23:00, 6 ppl is the lowest amount, so if u can get that many u can have a tourney.

Gather 6 oldies and 6 rookies and have fun.

for more info, head over to ktks site:
http://www.firstinsys.se/swing/kenya/

enjoy

Sassa
Wednesday 16th May, 2007

ps we even had an australian guy playing with 320 ping in ktk4(dad)

r4
Thursday 17th May, 2007

id play

nifrek
Thursday 17th May, 2007

Cyan is a good teacher. I was just starting to feel comfortable in QW and I had to stop playing. Problem is that to get any good you have to play A LOT. Since I work at home on the same computer I played QW, well, I couldn't get any work done because I couldn't stop myself from playing QW all the time. Like, 8-10 hours a day. Heh. After 2 missed deadlines I decided to simply stop. It's just waaaay too addictive.

What's strange is that I play any video games and never really played any. But QW is different. It almost feel like doing extreme sports when it almost becomes a way of life and all you think is getting more skills and learning new moves.

I could mention also that a couple weeks before I completely stopped, most people I played with were pretty much becoming inactive (mael, fenris) because of school and I was spending hours on empty servers jumping around, waiting for people to join. It got old very fast. I'm not saying it was a waste of time because my movement was getting better and stuff, but...

Sorry I made your waste your time :(

Maybe I'll come back in a few years and say "you people are still playing this shit?"

nifrek
Thursday 17th May, 2007

Heh, I did'nt just make an ass out of myself and that you guys actually remember me, I wasn't here that long. Hadn't thought of that ;)

reCOrd
Thursday 17th May, 2007

cyan o/ The Boss o/ QuakeWorld o/ is dead? :

reCOrd
Thursday 17th May, 2007

Disappear of english Willow Clan Arena, dutch XS4ALL ffa and polish "linux.gda.pl" (also) ffa server made huge damage on euro scene. Ye i know "we" got a lot of substitutes but its not the same... A lot of ppl played ONLY at these 3 servs (servers with souls?)... And in US u got a lot of ppl playing TF and CA ([almost] dead in europe and i would like to play CA so much :{; in US i got like 150-250ms..). I understand how much u miss 4on4 there :( Maybe try to play in EU like sqz, ocla guys and few other loco-dudes?
IMHO our age is the biggest problem here (average qw player age is about 24-25). Im also MIA now (not playing any other games) but i know that mr anagram will be back to qw one day...
QW - the best game ever forever!
CHEERS

r4
Friday 18th May, 2007

i remember you nifrek!

i was going by the alias ravenxx back then though.

you should still play! just gotta learn to set priorities and live by them :P

whimp
Saturday 19th May, 2007

Hi Guys

My two cents on this is that more "structure" is needed. Say, I play badminton every Saturday from 10 - 13 and I can plan around it. If I know that the Oz and NZ scene had mixed 4on4s on certan days at a certain time I would also be able to plan for that. I know it is frekin boring and prolly not in the spirit of QW. However, here in Oceania there are enough players, but they are rarely online at the same time. When I lived in Denmark it was "easy" to get to play a 4on4 mix at almost any given time.

I must say that I miss playing 4on4s alot and even more so in a clan (but that is impossble here in NZ). However, being married and having two children and woking hard, I need to be able to plan my gaming.

Since I arrived in NZ in January 2006 i have played 3 4on4s :( Very sad indeed.

I know its very easy for me to say this, as it will actually require some effort to make this happen, so my hope is that someone in Oz/NZ will take the initiative.

Cheers
Whimp

Spd
Saturday 19th May, 2007

What’s considered dead?

QUAKE 4 :))

pg
Saturday 19th May, 2007

Depends what you define dead as. The moment 4v4 TDM became rare, QW was dead in North America to me. I could still play some 4v4 TDM in EU, but that's a pain in the ass(tried it on 3 NQR/EQL teams). I'll always have fond memories of QW, but I really don't see it coming back in NA this time. I wish I could still play it but it's just not worth the effort anymore. There's just too many other good, fun games out there without out all the hassle.

I tried to get more people playing QW in NA as well but in the end none stuck with it(breakdown lasted the longest, dunno if he plays still). The scene is just too brutal in many ways. Lack of players is really the biggest issue, and it's a huge catch-22 that I don't think will ever be overcome now. I hope the EU community can find a way to last.

"What has killed American teamplay?"

Real life was certainly the biggest thing. People just grew up or moved on(WOW or poker), etc. I'm sure AG will disagree but in a scene as small as NA QW was I always thought it was more important to try and get some competitive balance instead of striving to dominate. NQ is probably as popular as QW now just because their community seems to focus more on fun. Just a few years back QW had 2-3x players of NQ I think.

Clearly tournaments with the same few players/teams dominating over and over didn't make people want to play QW more. Shame the skill division based duel tourney Hyena coded up never had a second season. That tourney had a lot of less active(and lowered skilled) players involved in QW.

Aardappel
Tuesday 22nd May, 2007

I appreciate your effort cy, but I don't think its going to work. The effort needed to properly learn qw, even by someone that is already decent at some other fps, is gigantic, compared to the privilege of being able to play the occasional 2on2.

I think the best thing for now is to try and focus our qw in NA by having set times in the week when we get together for 4v4s, small tourneys etc. I still see a large enough amount of different names on servers that if they were to play at the same time more it could be really fun. We'd have to put some effort behind really advertising these times.

4v4-wednesdays & mini-tourney-sundays? :)

cyan
Tuesday 22nd May, 2007

In response to pg:

AG did dominate, which is why Massacre @ Chicago (later known as 5am) and The Boss were formed. AG essentially split in half and 4on4 was revived soon after. Both teams were no good; check chtv, you can see mix teams beating up on The Boss.

Sassa
Tuesday 22nd May, 2007

I have been thinking of having an north american version of KTK10...

I still need an admin from NA!!!

Empezar
Tuesday 22nd May, 2007

arranging QW tournaments on big LAN parties during dead time might be a good idea. you just need to make people aware of it, and get them to bring their friends. if we make it easier to START playing QW, they might just stick around.

r4
Wednesday 23rd May, 2007

first of all...someone needs to make a qw website for us NA folk!

I would but I know nothing on that topic (in regards to coding).

Organizing everything on 1 day might be a good idea.

Åke Vader
Wednesday 23rd May, 2007

Get a website going and do these regular tournaments/gatherings and soon more and more people will hopefully show up. You have to start somewhere! :) If some of the i-don't-play-anymore-players could sacrifice some time on those set evenings then new players might find it even more inspiring when they see it's not only the same 10 players playing every time.

Åke Vader
Wednesday 23rd May, 2007

Also, if you get some kind of organization going (a few players who team up and make an effort) then also do some commercial for tournaments or whatever on general NA gaming websites. Maybe do one giant nostalgia tournament? :)

pg
Friday 25th May, 2007

There was a lot of effort put into QW.US before the scene fell apart. It helped somewhat, but given the effort required I don't think anyone is likely to do such a thing again.

Veteran
Friday 25th May, 2007

So many have said for such a long time that QW will die (or that its already dead). I think that when a scene can live on and be so structured like qw with tourneys and so many legends/characters it has a huge potential to grow. Almost all of you will call me a lunatic for saying this but mark my words and remember them when i say..

"the glory days of qw have yet to come"

QW has so many strenghs that other games do not and CAN not have, and in an age where competitve gaming becomes more and more about profiles and hardcore gameplay the outdated graphics can become almost a benefit too.

Åke Vader
Friday 25th May, 2007

How about setting up some finished system (PHPNuke or whatever, i don't know if it's sucks it's just an example) and start from there? Do regular news, start a forum and arrange US tournaments every once in a while.

I kinda agree with you "Veteran". :)

BogoJoker
Sunday 27th May, 2007

cyan, having been away for a little while I have to say that The Dojo is probably the greatest thing to hit QW since trick maps. I remember spending hours a day trying to teach people to bunny hop and the first people to rocket jump. I think that is an awesome idea and I hope you guys keep the Dojo active.

Is Quakeworld Dead? Your article discusses the number one reason, Real Life, and I think that is the only reason people would leave. But QW is not dead, and it won't for a while with the quality of the people who play it.

Hell, I haven't played in months but I am still attracted to the community of people in Quakeworld and I'm commenting on this article.

Live On,
BogoJoker

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